Pastor Steve Jeffery talks with personal wealth advisor Drew Dill CRPS about debt, interest, and investments. Drew works for the Bahnsen Group, which has over $4.5 billion in assets under management. They discuss the Biblical restrictions on lending and interest; the unavoidable nature of borrowing; interest and the cost of capital; good debt and bad debt; greed; mortgages; loans; crypto; FOMO; total depravity and investor behavior; the greater fool theory; student debt; leveraged investments; credit card debt; dividend growth investing; the Enron scandal; management and shareholder alignment; and many other topics.